Radeon HD 5970 uppemot 6 000 kronor

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Du vinner ingen respekt härinne genom att hålla på som du gör. Sen att du går till personangrepp i tråd efter tråd visar på att du är svag. Kan du lägga ner det är du snäll?

Jag får tycka och tänka precis som jag vill och jag får också anse att dina synsätt är fel eftersom de är färgade röda.

Jag väntar på Fermi så kanske vi får se lite konkurrens och normala priser.

Sen håller jag med att det är ingen idé att köpa ett 5870 om man har ett GTX295.

Internsant att se hur bortskämda vi har blivit med grafikkortspriserna,så fort vi få se priserna på nya kort förväntar sig alla en ny pris/prestanda bomb. Marknaden har varit extremt pressad senaste året sen ATI släppte 48xx serien och mer eller mindre tog Nvidia på sängen med framförallt billiga kort som konkurrerade i det övre segmentet.

Just nu ligger vi i lite av ett vakuum och väntar på Fermi, men då vi har ett annat utgångsläge än vid lanseringen av 48xx så tror jag vi kommer få vänta länge på lika konsumentvänliga priser som vi haft. Ati var tvungna att lägga sig ganska långt under Nvidia framförallt för att de hade ett sämre rykte.

Just nu är ATI härre på täppan och sätter priserna därefter, utan att de är helt orimliga bara förhållandevis höga.
Jag tycker att ett nytt priskrig känns rätt osannolikt närmaste halvåret i alla fall, till stor del beroende på tillverkningsproblem och brist på kretsar. Och jag är tveksam till att Nvidia kommer lägga sig under ATI när de släpper Fermi även om prestandan är likvärdig.

Om inte Fermi är snabbare än 5870 är det massiv fail och Fermi kommer vara dyrare än 5870 något annat skulle bara vara dumt av Nvidia.

Nej den kostar inte på tok för mycket.
Kortet kostar inte för mycket, ska det vara så svårt att fatta?
Som lideri säger.. ni har blivit så jävla bortskämda med priserna.

Vem köper ett sånt här? Rätt så många skulle jag vilja påstå.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews...

Ultra high mega max settings i spel verkar inte vara ett problem för det här kortet

5400-5500 kr på komplett 5200 kr med mina rabatter.

nästan en tusenlapp billigare än vad jag räknat med, detta kortet är ju så lätt värt pengarna.

Tiv

högt pris ska symbolisera det nya och kraftfulla under lanseringsveckorna. med det höga pris, jämfört mot den tidigare generationen, så skapas en typ av hype (hajp) där logiken krockar med viljan att konsumera det nyaste och bästa. efter några veckor så sänks priset och då vinner viljan över logiken och vi köper glatt det fortfarande dyra kortet - se bara på julrushen :).

låter det logiskt?

Vad är definitonen handfull? Tittar man på komplett så är det ju över 1000 kort bara där....

Preliminärt ja... komplett har skjutit fram sina preliminära leveranstider ungefär en månad nu. först va det den 2009-11-04, sen 2009-11-12 sen 2009-11-18 och nu 2009-12-04.

Räkna med mer.

Pratade med en grossist idag och dom får fem kort totalt den 23e o dom korten ska sedan fördelas lika till komplett inet alina etc.

Edit: komplett kommer inte få några av dom fem korten heller, utan alina.se har bokat alla fem.

Så ja, brist kommer det vara.

Tänk när Radeon 9800Pro kostade så här mycket xD (High end!)

Jävlar ett sådant kort, slår ju 5870CF i flera tester :), och överklockningspotetnialen var inte att leka med den heller...

Äntligen ett kort som tar död på "klarar det Crysis"-kommentarerna (hoppas jag):

Taget från techpowerup. Snacka om att äga GTX295 (och alla andra kort för den delen).

Tycker vi ska ta och kolla vad MARS kostar ist, det kostar bra mkt mer än 6K men där saknar du även DX1 och Eyefinity, sen vet ja itne om det är direkt mkt bättre än 5970, har ju inte sett några tester mellan dom så det kan ja ju inte säga någe om...

Men att säga att 5970 är dyrt är ju dumt, tänk på MARS korten då ist ;P

MVH

Tycker Anandtech har en bra analys.
Conclusion

There are two things that become very clear when looking at our data for the 5970

1. It’s hands down the fastest single card on the market
2. It’s so fast that it’s wasted on a single monitor

AMD made a good choice in enabling Crossfire Eyefinity for the 5970, as they have made a card so fast that it basically shoots past everything on the market that isn’t Crysis. All of our action games that aren’t CPU limited do better than 100fps at 2560x1600, and RTSs are doing just under 60fps. The 5970 is without a doubt Overkill (with a capital O) on a single monitor. This will likely change for future games (i.e. STALKER), but on today’s games it’s more power than is necessary to drive even the largest single monitor. The 5970 still offers a good performance boost over the 5870 even with a single monitor, but with the 5870’s outstanding performance, it’s not $200 better.

So that leaves us with Eyefinity. So long as GPUs are outpacing games, AMD needs something to burn up extra performance to give faster cards a purpose, and that’s Eyefinity. Eyefinity is a strain - even 3 smaller monitors can result in more pixels being pushed than a single 2560. Having Crossfire Eyefinity support gives an AMD card the breathing room it needs to offer Eyefinity at playable framerates across a wider spectrum of monitors and games. Given the price of 3 20”+ monitors is going to approach if not exceed the $600 price of the card, the 5970 is the perfect match for Eyefinity gaming at this time.

Men man får ju trots allt väga in att MARS är en limited edition om 1000 ex!

En annan sak om är intressant om 5970 är:
The Card They Beg You to Overclock

As AMD equipped 5970 with a fully functional Cypress core, one particularly binned for its excellent performance, it’s a shame the 5970 is only clocked at 725MHz core, right? AMD agrees, and has equipped and will be promoting the 5970 in a manner unlike any previous AMD video card.

Officially, AMD and its vendors can only sell a card that consumes up to 300W of power. That’s all the ATX spec allows for; anything else would mean they would be selling a non-compliant card. AMD would love to sell a more powerful card, but between breaking the spec and the prospect of running off users who don’t have an appropriate power supply (more on this later), they can’t.

But there’s nothing in the rulebook about building a more powerful card, and simply selling it at a low enough speed that it’s not breaking the spec. This is what AMD has done.

As a 300W TDP card, the 5970 is entirely overbuilt. The vapor chamber cooling system is built to dissipate 400W, and the card is equipped entirely with high-end electronics components, including solid caps and high-end VRMs.

Make no mistake: this card was designed to be a single-card 5870CF solution; AMD just can’t sell it like that. In our discussions with them they nearly (as much as Legal would let them) promised that every card will be able to hit 850MHz core (after all, these chips are binned to be better than a 5870), and memory speeds were nearly as optimistic, although we were given the impression that AMD is a little more concerned about GDDR5 memory bus issues at 5870 speeds.

So with the card that is a pair of 5870s in everything except the shipping specifications, AMD has gone ahead and left it up to the user to put 2 + 2 together, and to bring the card to its full potential. The card ships with a much higher Overdrive cap than AMD’s other cards; instead of 10-20%, here the caps are 1GHz for the core and 1.5GHz for the memory, a 37% and 50% cap respectively (in comparison, on the 5850, the caps were set below the 5870’s stock speeds). The card effectively has unlimited overclocking headroom within Overdrive; we doubt that any 5970 is going to hit those speeds with air cooling.

One weakness of Overdrive is that it doesn’t let you tweak voltages, which is a problem since AMD has to ship this card at lower voltages in order to meet the 294W TDP. In order to rectify that, AMD will be supplying vendors with a voltage tweaking tool specifically for the 5970, which will then be customized and distributed by vendors to their 5970 users.

Normally any kind of voltage tweaking on a video card makes us nervous due to the lack of guidance – a single GPUs doesn’t ship at a wide range of voltages after all. For overvolting the 5970, AMD has made matters quite simple: you only get one choice. The utility we’re using offers two voltages for the core, and two for the memory, which are the shipping voltages and the voltages the 5870 runs at. So you can run your 5970 at 1.05v core or 1.165v core, but nothing higher and nothing in between. It makes matters simple, and locks out the ability to supply the core with more voltage than it can handle. We haven’t seen any of the vendor-customized versions of the Overvolt utility, but we’d expect all of them to have the same cap, if not the same two-setting limit.

All of this comes at a cost however: power. Cranking up the voltage in particular will drive the power draw of the card way up, and this is the point where the card ceases to meet the PCIe specification. If you want to overclock this card, you’re going to need not just a strong power supply that can deliver its rated wattage, but you’re going to need a power supply that can overdeliver on the rails attached to the PCIe power plugs.

For overclocked operation, AMD is recommending a 750W power supply, capable of delivering at least 20A on the rail the 8pin plug is fed from, and another 15A on the rail the 6pin plug is fed from. There are a number of power supplies that can do this, but you need to pay very close attention to what your power supply can do. Frankly we’re just waiting for a sob-story where this card cooks a power supply when overvolted. Overclocking the 5970 will bring the power draw out of spec, its imperative you make sure you have a power supply that can handle it.

Overall the whole issue leaves us with an odd taste in our mouths. Clearly AMD would have rewritten the ATX spec to allow for more power if it were that simple, and we don’t believe anyone really wants to be selling a card that runs out of spec like this. Both AMD and NVIDIA are going to have to cope with the fact that power draw has been increasing on their cards over time, so this isn’t going to be the last over-300W card we see. I would not be surprised if we saw a newer revision of the ATX spec that allowed for more power for video cards – if you can cool 400W, then that’s where the new maximum is going to be for luxury video cards like the 5970.

Last, but certainly not least, there’s the matter of real-world testing. Although AMD told us that the 5970 should be able to hit 5870 clockspeeds, we actually didn’t have the kind of luck we were expecting to have. We have 2 5970s,one for myself, and one for Anand for Eyefinity and power/noise/heat testing. My 5970 hit 850MHz/1200MHz once overvolted (it had very little headroom without it), but the performance was sporadic. The VRM overcurrent protection mechanism started kicking in and momentarily throttling the card down to 550MHz/1000MHz, and not just in FurMark/OCCT. Running a real application (the Distributed.net RC5-72 Stream client) ultimately resulted in the same thing. With the core overvolted, our card kept throttling on FurMark all the way down to 730MHz. While the card is stable in terms of not crashing, or verdict is that our card is not capable of performing at 5870 clockspeeds.

We’ve attempted to isolate the cause of this, and we feel we can rule out temperature after feeding the card cold morning air had no effect. This leaves us with power. The power supply we use is a Corsair 850TX, which has a single 12V rail rated for 70A. We do not believe that the issue is the power supply, but we don’t have another unit on hand to test with, so we can not eliminate it. Our best guess is that in spite of the high-quality VRMs that are on this card, that they simply aren’t up to the task of powering the card at 5870 speeds and voltages.

We’ve gone ahead and done our testing at these speeds anyhow (since overcurrent protection doesn’t cause any quality issues), however it’s likely that these results are retarded somewhat by throttling, and that a card that can avoid throttling would perform slightly better. We're going to be retesting this card in the morning with some late suggestions from AMD (mainly forcing the fan to 100%) to see if this changes things, but we are fairly confident right now that it's not heat related.

As for Anand's card, his fared even worse. His card locked up his rig when trying to run OCCT at 5870 speeds. VRM throttling is one thing, but crashing is another; even if it's OCCT, it shouldn't be happening. We've written his card off as being unstable at 5870 speeds, which makes us 0-for-2 in chasing the 5870CF. Reality is currently in conflict with AMD's promises.

Lite mycket polsriksdag över den här tråden.
Fanboyism borde för övrigt ses som mental ohälsa och behandlas med valium och en stor portion livsefarenhet från verkligheten där allt inte handlar om grafikkort.

Jo det är sant.

*rensar lite*