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I hear you, unfortunately we won't be offering the F1 any longer. The Straight Power E9 is an awesome series and the prices will go down also once more shops are listing them. As I mentioned before we have basically all the major stores up this or next week. We have the Straight Power E9 with 400W if that is low enough for you. The problem is and will always be that the production of a 300W PSU is nearly identical to a 400W PSU.

We are here for the long run!

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Nice to see someone representin the company in the forums=)

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Nice to see someone representin the company in the forums=)

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Thanks! You guys can always write me PM or in the forums, will try to help as good as I can. I am working ten years with PSUs now, I was a reviewer before and worked for several companies as well. So if you have questions regarding technical issues and stuff, just keep it coming

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Hur står sig ett gammalt hederligt Corsair VX550 mot dagens mellanklassmodeller?

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Hur står sig ett gammalt hederligt Corsair VX550 mot dagens mellanklassmodeller?

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Det står sig ganska bra fortfarande.. Finns ingen anledning byta om man inte behöver mer kräm eller tycker att man vill ha modulära kablar eller kanske en tystare fläkt.. Den är inte känd för att vara tyst under belastning. Det är CWT som är OEM.

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Hur står sig ett gammalt hederligt Corsair VX550 mot dagens mellanklassmodeller?

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VX550 är helt underbart och tyst upp till ~75% belastning då de börjar låta som en jetmotor..
Hade ett VX550 innan jag bytte upp mig till ett TX750 så nätagget även är knäpptyst när grafikkortet är i 100%load.

Du kan gott köra vidare på ditt VX550.

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Såg riktigt bra ut kanske ska byta min ocz modxstream, den är lite konstig av någon anledning :/

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Underligt att se att dessa kondningar funkar så bra men med högre effektivitet kanske det ställs mindre krav på övriga komponenter. I framtiden kanske enbart Seasonic tillverkar nätagg med japanska kondensatorer för andra har ju börjat flörta med 85 graders kondensatorer och nästa steg är säkerligen taiwan-kondensatorer.

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Nu är jag inte på marknaden efter ett nytt agg, men likväl var det spännande läsning, både testen och diskussionen i tråden om "caps."
Måste säga att BeQuiet steg ganska mycket i mina ögon när en talesman, inte bara läser utan verkligen svarar på frågor och funderingar.

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En fundering till Sweclockers. Om dom skickar er specifika nätaggregat. Kan dom inte välja ut dom i bästa i varje serie för att få bättre betyg?

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Wow. Bra recension!

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Jag har ett äldre Be quiet! Dark Power Pro 450W, First Class. Det är nog ett av mina bättre köp faktiskt. Jag köpte ett till en kompis som har rullat ett par år nu dessutom.

Väldigt bra aggregat och prisvärda.

jag hoppas att Google translator inte hittar på allt för lustiga översättningar när man pratar dator termer.

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gillas starkt, hade lätt kunna upgradera till ett guld agg för tusingen inom snar framtid !

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Jättetrevligt att se lite fakta och information om nätagg. Det jag saknade dock är vad rippel skapar för problem (om några).
Google får hjälpa lite.

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Såg riktigt bra ut kanske ska byta min ocz modxstream, den är lite konstig av någon anledning :/

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Du byter inte direkt upp dig så mycket i kvalite. Köp Corsair ax serie

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Jättetrevligt att se lite fakta och information om nätagg. Det jag saknade dock är vad rippel skapar för problem (om några).
Google får hjälpa lite.

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http://www.overclock.net/t/719397/on-ripple-and-its-effects-o...

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I see that Be-Quiet have some new lower wattage models on the Swedish market, is it possible to send a Effecient Power F1 psu for testing to Sweclockers in the future? Im really sick of all high power psu review since i have a pretty basic computer i don't need more than 300watt of power and i im not alone.

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No, you are not alone.
This is the problem.
I can not believe how psu manufacturers think, the entire computer industry is working to lower consumption of their products, but it is hardly possible to get a quality psu below 400 watts.
It´s PSUs like BeQuiet F1 350 watts that you want to see tested, on low power but high efficiency.
And now he says that they are gone quit makin the F1 series.:(
That s**ks.

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http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/bequiet-Straight-Power...
Här klarade inte 3.3V sig inte alls och dom tror det beror på den höga tempen då Be-Quiet valt en tystare fläkt.
Rippeln såg fin ut i Sweclockers test men i Hardwaresecrets så var den mycket högre även om den låg inom ramarna för ATX standarden men Kitguru hade låga siffror som Sweclockers test.

Straight Power E9 680w är FSP och Pure Power L8 630w har HEC som OEM för den som undrar.

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Okej, tack så mycket!

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Det står sig ganska bra fortfarande.. Finns ingen anledning byta om man inte behöver mer kräm eller tycker att man vill ha modulära kablar eller kanske en tystare fläkt.. Den är inte känd för att vara tyst under belastning. Det är CWT som är OEM.

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Har det med och är knäpptyst (dock suger jag ur max 200/250 watt load):) Mitt grafikkort är det värsta oljudsmonster i burken :/ Hoppas jag slipper ta så mycket watt att jag hör fläkten då (för då åker det ur fortare än kvickt).

Bra test. Dock är en hotbox lätt fixad. tror det var jonnyguru som la agget i en papplåda och tydligen ska det funka lika bra. Något ni kan tänka er att göra i framtiden?

Är medveten o testet på två agg tog 6 timmar (om det tog en timme per test). Men ni behöver ju bara köra ett test i 75% eller 100% i en timme per agg, då vet man hur bra det står sig. Är tyvärr få svenska hemsidor som gör sig det besväret.

För mig kanske det inte spelar roll för agget tar 20 gradig luft (men då vet man om agget håller måttet och kommer att hålla länge även om agget bara tar 20 c luft).

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No, you are not alone.
This is the problem.
I can not believe how psu manufacturers think, the entire computer industry is working to lower consumption of their products, but it is hardly possible to get a quality psu below 400 watts.
It´s PSUs like BeQuiet F1 350 watts that you want to see tested, on low power but high efficiency.
And now he says that they are gone quit makin the F1 series.:(
That s**ks.

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You've fallen victim to one of the first mistakes someone new to the computer world makes.

A computer will not use a single watt more power if driven by a 1200 watt power supply than it will if driven by a 300 watt power supply. The wattage of a power supply denotes its maximum capacity, not what it actually uses all the time. If your hardware needs 250 watts of power, it will get the same 250 watts no matter the capacity of the power supply.

As an example, my computer (the one in my sig) is currently in deep idle and all power saving features at max since I'm only browsing SweC at the moment. It's powered by a Corsair AX850 850 watt gold certified power supply.
According to the watt meter I have in the power outlet it's only using a total of 135 watts on the primary side. Since it's an 80+ gold supply, the actual computer is barely using 120 watts (88% efficiency at <20% load).
I don't count the displays in that of course (and they're on another outlet as well), but I shouldn't either since they're not driven by the power supply. I might also add that the computer is entirely silent, the only active fan at the moment is the side fan, since the power supply shuts off its fan if it's at less than 50% load.

What's more important is the quality of the power supply and whether it's 80+ certified or not. A non-80+ certified no-name power supply will usually land around 75% efficiency, making a 250 watt hardware draw (secondary side) use ~335 watts of actual power (primary side). The 85 watt difference becomes heat inside the power supply. An 80+ Gold certified power supply with the same 250 watt hardware draw will only draw 275 watts of actual power, so you save 60 REAL watts by having a better power supply.

The difference will be exactly the same no matter if you're comparing a 450 watt, 850 watt or even 1200 watt 80+ Gold power supply. If the hardware draws 250 watts it'll still just end up drawing somewhere around 275W from the power outlet. The difference is of course that the more powerful power supply can handle a lot more, doesn't run as hot (has better cooling) and has heavier duty parts. In essence, it'll last longer and be more secure in terms of upgradeability.

Also and typically running a low-power system on a high-capacity power supply just means that the power supply is basically working in idle. You're so far below its capacity that it can in some cases shut down its fan, or at least rev it down to its lowest level, since it won't be producing much heat. A 300 watt power supply delivering 250 watts however will be running at over 80% of capacity and run hot, usually not exactly living up to what people call "quiet".

In terms of efficiency it's even reverse to your belief. If you have a computer which uses 200 watts of power, a likely scenario for a low-power PC, you'd typically want a 400 watt power supply for everything to be perfect since power supplies are always at their peak efficiency when running at around 50% load. That said, the differences in efficiency for an 80+ certified power supply between different load levels is usually very slim, and even at 20% load you'll rarely see a great dip in efficiency either.

In other words, if there is no difference in price between a 300 watt and a 400 watt power supply, there's no reason for the 300 watt power supply to exist.
No reason whatsoever.

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Själv så har Be Quiet länge varit ett favoritmärke när det gäller nätagg pga kvaliten tillsammans med den låga ljudnivån samt att de aldrig vad jag hört har snålat in eller gjort försämringar på befintliga serier utan att byta namn eller informera köpare som vissa kändare tillverkare har gjort.

Enda negativa är att man knappt kunnat hitta dem i några vettiga butiker senaste åren när jag letat efter nätagg.
Jag köpte mitt Dark Power Pro 430 för över 4år sen av www.silentpcreview.com som hade använt det för sin review .
Det har pallat med allt jag kört så som senast i750 3.6Ghz med 2st 5850 i CF. Bytte det endast för att jag ville va på säkra sidan med 2 grafikkort och överklockning.

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Ingen som vet vart man skulle kunna få tag på likadana/liknande fläktgaller som på 630w agget?

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Kul läsning, hoppas beQuiet håller sig på marknaden. Mer tysta agg åt folket!

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Mer TYSKA agg åt folket!

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You've fallen victim to one of the first mistakes someone new to the computer world makes.

A computer will not use a single watt more power if driven by a 1200 watt power supply than it will if driven by a 300 watt power supply. The wattage of a power supply denotes its maximum capacity, not what it actually uses all the time. If your hardware needs 250 watts of power, it will get the same 250 watts no matter the capacity of the power supply.

As an example, my computer (the one in my sig) is currently in deep idle and all power saving features at max since I'm only browsing SweC at the moment. It's powered by a Corsair AX850 850 watt gold certified power supply.
According to the watt meter I have in the power outlet it's only using a total of 135 watts on the primary side. Since it's an 80+ gold supply, the actual computer is barely using 120 watts (88% efficiency at <20% load).
I don't count the displays in that of course (and they're on another outlet as well), but I shouldn't either since they're not driven by the power supply. I might also add that the computer is entirely silent, the only active fan at the moment is the side fan, since the power supply shuts off its fan if it's at less than 50% load.

What's more important is the quality of the power supply and whether it's 80+ certified or not. A non-80+ certified no-name power supply will usually land around 75% efficiency, making a 250 watt hardware draw (secondary side) use ~335 watts of actual power (primary side). The 85 watt difference becomes heat inside the power supply. An 80+ Gold certified power supply with the same 250 watt hardware draw will only draw 275 watts of actual power, so you save 60 REAL watts by having a better power supply.

The difference will be exactly the same no matter if you're comparing a 450 watt, 850 watt or even 1200 watt 80+ Gold power supply. If the hardware draws 250 watts it'll still just end up drawing somewhere around 275W from the power outlet. The difference is of course that the more powerful power supply can handle a lot more, doesn't run as hot (has better cooling) and has heavier duty parts. In essence, it'll last longer and be more secure in terms of upgradeability.

Also and typically running a low-power system on a high-capacity power supply just means that the power supply is basically working in idle. You're so far below its capacity that it can in some cases shut down its fan, or at least rev it down to its lowest level, since it won't be producing much heat. A 300 watt power supply delivering 250 watts however will be running at over 80% of capacity and run hot, usually not exactly living up to what people call "quiet".

In terms of efficiency it's even reverse to your belief. If you have a computer which uses 200 watts of power, a likely scenario for a low-power PC, you'd typically want a 400 watt power supply for everything to be perfect since power supplies are always at their peak efficiency when running at around 50% load. That said, the differences in efficiency for an 80+ certified power supply between different load levels is usually very slim, and even at 20% load you'll rarely see a great dip in efficiency either.

In other words, if there is no difference in price between a 300 watt and a 400 watt power supply, there's no reason for the 300 watt power supply to exist.
No reason whatsoever.

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Problemet kvarstår, ont om 400W modulära tysta kvalitetsagg. Och ännu värre är det med recensioner av dem. Och på de som finns är priset oftast så oskäligt högt att man kan köpa ett 650W på en gång. Så att man vill ha ett bra 400W nätagg handlar mycket om att man inte vill betala 1000:- för ett tyst modulärt aggregat.

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Hi guys,

I am sorry I only write in English, I am Chris and responsible for product marketing in be quiet!. I would like to answer some questions, please forgive me they are in English

Hi, there will be more coming this and next week. Don't worry

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Hallo Chris, ich freue mich, Sie hier zu sehen!

Wie viele Wiederverkäufer für Ihre Produkte wurde hier in Schweden aktuell? Und könnten Sie mir einen guten Grund, warum ich Ihre E9-Serie statt der Corsair AX-Serie kaufen sollte? Beide sind für Enthusiasten, nicht wahr?

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You've fallen victim to one of the first mistakes someone new to the computer world makes.

A computer will not use a single watt more power if driven by a 1200 watt power supply than it will if driven by a 300 watt power supply. The wattage of a power supply denotes its maximum capacity, not what it actually uses all the time. If your hardware needs 250 watts of power, it will get the same 250 watts no matter the capacity of the power supply.

As an example, my computer (the one in my sig) is currently in deep idle and all power saving features at max since I'm only browsing SweC at the moment. It's powered by a Corsair AX850 850 watt gold certified power supply.
According to the watt meter I have in the power outlet it's only using a total of 135 watts on the primary side. Since it's an 80+ gold supply, the actual computer is barely using 120 watts (88% efficiency at <20% load).
I don't count the displays in that of course (and they're on another outlet as well), but I shouldn't either since they're not driven by the power supply. I might also add that the computer is entirely silent, the only active fan at the moment is the side fan, since the power supply shuts off its fan if it's at less than 50% load.

What's more important is the quality of the power supply and whether it's 80+ certified or not. A non-80+ certified no-name power supply will usually land around 75% efficiency, making a 250 watt hardware draw (secondary side) use ~335 watts of actual power (primary side). The 85 watt difference becomes heat inside the power supply. An 80+ Gold certified power supply with the same 250 watt hardware draw will only draw 275 watts of actual power, so you save 60 REAL watts by having a better power supply.

The difference will be exactly the same no matter if you're comparing a 450 watt, 850 watt or even 1200 watt 80+ Gold power supply. If the hardware draws 250 watts it'll still just end up drawing somewhere around 275W from the power outlet. The difference is of course that the more powerful power supply can handle a lot more, doesn't run as hot (has better cooling) and has heavier duty parts. In essence, it'll last longer and be more secure in terms of upgradeability.

Also and typically running a low-power system on a high-capacity power supply just means that the power supply is basically working in idle. You're so far below its capacity that it can in some cases shut down its fan, or at least rev it down to its lowest level, since it won't be producing much heat. A 300 watt power supply delivering 250 watts however will be running at over 80% of capacity and run hot, usually not exactly living up to what people call "quiet".

In terms of efficiency it's even reverse to your belief. If you have a computer which uses 200 watts of power, a likely scenario for a low-power PC, you'd typically want a 400 watt power supply for everything to be perfect since power supplies are always at their peak efficiency when running at around 50% load. That said, the differences in efficiency for an 80+ certified power supply between different load levels is usually very slim, and even at 20% load you'll rarely see a great dip in efficiency either.

In other words, if there is no difference in price between a 300 watt and a 400 watt power supply, there's no reason for the 300 watt power supply to exist.
No reason whatsoever.

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You are forgetting one, or two, things (at least).. the ECOS (Ecova) 80plus rules for measuring power supply and a power supplies efficiency curve from 0% load. Oh, and the another one - the idle power efficiency of a power supply.

Measure for 80plus certification are at 20%, 50% and 100% load.
If you take this into concideration you have a huge grey zone for many large power supplies. 20% out of 1000W is 200W. But what efficiency do you have at idle desktop when the power draw is maybe 70-100W?
Here there can be a huge difference if you have a 400W or 750W power supply. Given that most modern power supplies have rather similar efficiency cruves, the 400W PSU will probably have better efficiency than the 750W PSU at idle desktop. The difference can be as much as 85% vs. 75% efficiency.
So if you spend alot of time in the lower power regions then you potentially are wasting energy with an over dimensioned PSU!

In your example with your own AX850, this PSU has an efficiency of around 82% just below 100W.. Not so impressive if you concider it's a 80plus Gold unit. But this is nothing strange, it's like this for most 850W PSU's in that power region.. A good 400-500W unit then, how does it perform in that power region? (not so many reviews of these lower power PSUs unfortunately). Well, the late Seasonic X400/460FL is up to 87% already at 75W, a Super Flower (KingWin) 500 fanless 80plus platinum unit has 88% efficiency at 100W..
So if you spend considerable amount of time at the desktop, and you don't have high spec power thirsty GPU/CPU, then you could be much better off getting the PSU dimensioned for your needs rather than getting the PSU that can handle powering all the electronics in your house incl. stove and fridge!

Then idle efficiency (5VSB) can also differ some between PSU's. Depending on what you hook up to your system, this can be more or less important..

Just pointing out two things you seem to have overlooked when you stated: "In other words, if there is no difference in price between a 300 watt and a 400 watt power supply, there's no reason for the 300 watt power supply to exist. No reason whatsoever."

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Modulärt nätagg med 105 c japanska på 400w våre guld gold cert också. Får väll hoppas på att kanske xfx börjar med det corsair har man tappat lite förtronde av på sista tiden

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Cudos to you Chris.

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Hey, doing my best thanks!! I think it's really important that you guys have a direct contact to the company. Since we are basically just starting with a broad range of products you will surely have a lot of questions. So I am here to answer them directly instead of you relying on rumors and false statements. And I do know my stuff, so just keep the questions coming ;D

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And now he says that they are gone quit makin the F1 series.:(
That s**ks.

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The F1 was simply a try and it didn't really fit into our normal lineup (We didn't sell it in Germany for example). We just want to deliver the best products we can, with the best features you really need. So Straight Power is just the better choice. We do go down to 400W with 80 PLUS Gold. I think that is resonable since below that the production costs don't differ too much. You also need to be aware of the power you are saving. For example you save 5% when you run 200W consumption against 5% when your PC draws 1000W. For the 2 cents you save with lower wattage per year you would need to run the PSU 20 years to compensate the price premium... not really worth it I would say.

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Hallo Chris, ich freue mich, Sie hier zu sehen!

Wie viele Wiederverkäufer für Ihre Produkte wurde hier in Schweden aktuell? Und könnten Sie mir einen guten Grund, warum ich Ihre E9-Serie statt der Corsair AX-Serie kaufen sollte? Beide sind für Enthusiasten, nicht wahr?

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Hi, wir werden nun Webhallen, Inet usw hinzufügen. Also sollten bald andere ebenfalls folgen. Warum du ein Straight Power anstatt eines Konkurrenzproduktes nehmen solltest? Weil wir einzigartig sind, und komplett auf leise Leistung setzen. Wir haben Leute, die sich akribisch genau auf Kleinigkeiten wie elektronische Geräusche konzentrieren. Wir betreiben einen riesen Aufwand bei der QC, die zum Beispiel in Deutschland gemacht wird. Dann haben wir sehr guten Service. In Deutschland eine kostenlose Hotline und einen 48 Stunden Austauschservice. Sowas wollen wir natürlich auch in Schweden wagen, wenn die Zeit reif dafür ist. Wir werden besonders interessant, wenn du ein leises Produkt haben möchtest. Wir sagen das nicht nur, unsere NTs und Kühler kann man wirklich nicht hören die meiste Zeit und sind auch unter Last bestimmt 10dBA leiser als die Konkurrenz. Außerdem sehen unsere Produkte geiler aus als der ganze Einheitsbrei von der Konkurrenz hehe

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Hey, warum sollte ich kaufen ein Netzteil von beQuiet!? Ist es nicht besser, ein Netzteil von FSP selbst kaufen, wenn es denen, die sie gebaut haben ist? Verstehe das nicht mit verschiedenen Marken und so weiter.

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Hey, warum sollte ich kaufen ein Netzteil von beQuiet!? Ist es nicht besser, ein Netzteil von FSP selbst kaufen, wenn es denen, die sie gebaut haben ist? Verstehe das nicht mit verschiedenen Marken und so weiter.

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Hi, I cannot speak for other brands but for us there are HUGE differences!! First, we don't just buy stuff from a catalog and simply put our name on it. With most products of us you will see that we actually put a lot of work inside besides the initial development of the platform with the help of the manufacturer. We have people that are testing the units countless hours and work on every little noise (electrical or mechanical) for example. Then have a look at the complete quiet concept we implement into the products. Compare those noise levels with anyone else for example, there is nothing comparable.

And afterwards, see the differences in service for example. In some countries in Europe we already have the 48 hrs pickup/exchange service where we sent the new unit within 48 hrs of your calling and you just give the old unit to the postman. Then we have a toll free hotline for people with questions etc (Sweden not yet, sorry). Then own support forums, our people browsing all of the larger forums from media ...and so on. This is something you will never find from any of the manufacturers themselves.

Hope I could help you further with your question

Chris

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