American in Malmo needs help with building first desktop. Please?

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American in Malmo needs help with building first desktop. Please?

I am a member on Reddit and was recommended to talk to you guys by a couple of swedes. You can find the corresponding post here.

I have been living in Sweden for 2.5 years and am finally getting around to building a PC. I want to spend less than 5000kr and have also been using the TomsHardware $500 build as a guide. The problems I am having are finding the right balance for someone like me who doesnt need top of the line, but also wants something that will be, simply put, smooth. Is there anything I should definately buy from the states in regards to cost, quality, etc? What about the new sandy bridge, should I wait for it to come out to see if prices drop?

I have been checking out the webhallen demo deals along with deals at komplett, and dustinhome. Do you have any other recommendations of websites I could use?

I really appreciate any help you can give. Also, if you are in Malmo and feel like taking me down to webhallen to help explain some shit to me I would be much obliged. There is beer in it for you.

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here you got one more site you can check but it is only located in gothenburg but you can oder online http://www.inet.se/

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I would recommend www.inet.se
For 5000kr I wolud by AMD processor.

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Inet is a very good site indeed.
Here is a pc from inet, it just got one little problem, it's 191kr over your budget. But you can lower the price by replacing the blu-ray reader with a normal dvd-writer. But reading your other post i assumed you wanted a blu-ray drive
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/75675

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https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76083

Here you go, was'nt easy but I got sort of close

Inet.se is a good store and as a SweClockers member you get free shipping

Good luck anyway

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Inet is a very good site indeed.
Here is a pc from inet, it just got one little problem, it's 191kr over your budget. But you can lower the price by replacing the blu-ray reader with a normal dvd-writer. But reading your other post i assumed you wanted a blu-ray drive
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/75675

Thumbs up for that. If you don't game you don't need such an expensive graphics card. That change will also make room for an ssd

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This one should work pretty good, if you want a lower price you can get another GPU, this should work at the latest games at a decent quality, its also a quite powerful CPU Also, you might not need a 550w power supply but its good if you want to upgrade something or so

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I am a member on Reddit and was recommended to talk to you guys by a couple of swedes. You can find the corresponding post here.

I have been living in Sweden for 2.5 years and am finally getting around to building a PC. I want to spend less than 5000kr and have also been using the TomsHardware $500 build as a guide. The problems I am having are finding the right balance for someone like me who doesnt need top of the line, but also wants something that will be, simply put, smooth. Is there anything I should definately buy from the states in regards to cost, quality, etc? What about the new sandy bridge, should I wait for it to come out to see if prices drop?

I have been checking out the webhallen demo deals along with deals at komplett, and dustinhome. Do you have any other recommendations of websites I could use?

I really appreciate any help you can give. Also, if you are in Malmo and feel like taking me down to webhallen to help explain some shit to me I would be much obliged. There is beer in it for you.

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I would advice against ordering from the states with such a small budget, since the shipping is usually way expensive and RMA to the store will be a PITA.

If you already have a copy of Windows, I'd suggest this. If you like, you could take the Phenom 2 X2 555 BE 3.2GHz instead and try to unlock it to a quadcore. There are many successful unlocks, so if you're willing to take the extra time, I'd recommend it. I don't know if that particular motherboard has the Core Unlocker-chip, but most (maybe all?) Gigabyte-motherboards with the 880G- and 890-chipsets supposedly has it.

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This is my advice http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76133
Could change to this (http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76133) if you want to but i think it's better not to.

Good luck!

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Most people here on Sweclockers will recomment inet because of no freighting cost/shipment cost/whatever it is called if you have this link: https://www.inet.se/artikel/6101343/fraktfritt-sweclockers-vi... and put it in your cart.
They have very good support and usually is the cheapest or at least one of the cheapest stores.

https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76082

This is what I would recommend. Someone might find a slightly better motherboard but if you're not doing any overclocking it doesn't really matter. The case is good enough. An operating system costs around 1000 swedish crowns. https://www.inet.se/artikel/9122292/windows-7-home-premium-64...
You'll have to cut down on motherboard, proccessor and graphics card if you need one.

I would recommend an AMD processor for this price range, it's not until you start buying computers for over 9000-10000 crowns Intel is better. Waiting for Sandy Bridge is entirely up to you but keep in mind that something is bound to be released soon after Sandy Bridge as well. and after that something else might be released.

If you buy things from the US you'll have to pay a quite hefty VAT of 25%.

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This is my advice http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76133
Could change to this (http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76133) if you want to but i think it's better not to.

Good luck!

The Mobo in those builds sucks... Now First I need to know how you will use your computer... Games, Movies, or only the web?

When I know this I will also throw you a build. ^^

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The Mobo in those builds sucks... Now First I need to know how you will use your computer... Games, Movies, or only the web?

When I know this I will also throw you a build. ^^

Btw, Welcome to sweclockers!

just read it on reddit it says mostly media and web browsing, but also be able to cope with new games, doesn't matter if it's lowest quality (something I don't agree with...)

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Wow, just wow. Thanks for the amazing amount of input. I feel that I should clarify some things.

-Since we have a ps3 and hdtv i have no real need of a bluray player

-I love gaming and would love to be able to play any game at highest settings, but with the money I have I am just trying to emphasize where I care most. If I could swing a badass graphics card i would

-I dont need an OS, I have a copy of win7. I want to make the switch to linux someday, but this being my first computer i thought baby steps were in order.

-I dont need a monitor now, but do need some speakers (2.1).

-I would LIKE to have usb 3.0 capabilities

-I would like 2 HD's. One fast ass one for booting (raptor? SSD?) and a terabite for storage. I will wait to understand and deal with RAID at a later date.

-I am building this for the now and not "future proofing." I only need a PSU strong enough for the proposed build.

-I dont know anything about overclocking, is it worthwhile for someone with my interests to look into that and taking some of the post recommendations for buying a OCable system?

You guys are great. I feel so damn welcome and will certainly be a slowly growing part of this website. INET.se definately seems to have the lowest prices and free shipping? Hell yes. Thank you for that info.

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http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76271
This is probably the best I could do on your budget. You have 1 terabyte of storage disk, and a 32 gigabyte SSD, which should cover Windows 7 and possibly one game. Unfortunatley, I couldn't fit in a USB 3.0 motherboard.
You could try "unlocking" this CPU, which makes it a quadcore. I do not guarantee a success, but it is possible. That saved you 600 kronors.

EDIT: Holy cow, didn't think about the case. You might have to sacrifice your SSD to fit that in.

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http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/76271
This is probably the best I could do on your budget. You have 1 terabyte of storage disk, anda 32 gigabyte SSD, which should cover Windows 7 and possibly one game. Unfortunatley, I couldn't fit in a USB 3.0 motherboard.
You could try "unlocking" this CPU, which makes it a quadcore. I do not guarantee a success, but it is possible. That saved you 600 kronors.

EDIT: Holy cow, didn't think about the case. You might have to sacrifice your SSD to fit that in.

You could fit a CM 430 Elite into the budget if you downgrade the GTX460 to a HD5770.

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You could fit a CM 430 Elite into the budget if you downgrade the GTX460 to a HD5770.

But for gaming i would recommend keeping the GTX 460, and not buy an SSD:)

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Ye, its a tight balancewalk here... 5k is not much for a PC. If u you move up to 7k then its a another level end you could get a good rig. As for a system disk as a SSD, in my opinion, forget it. its not worth the extra cash if you are on a tight budget. That can be installed later.

This is my opinion.

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But for gaming i would recommend keeping the GTX 460, and not buy an SSD:)

True, all though he did he say he just wanted everything to run as smooth as possible, and that he didn't have any high requirements when it came to games. He was fine with playing them on Low-Mid settings, which a 5770 will handle just fine. While an SSD will speed up the entire system.

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Smooth is key. How much of a difference in performance would i notice between the GTX 460 and the 5770? I also think I might buy a SSD from the states as the prices are so much cheaper and out of everything I buy it would be most likely to survive shipping without any effects. Just browsing i can find a 64gig SSD for a similar price as this one. That being said, is it easy enough to buy a terabite now, build the computer and then at a later date get the ssd for the boot? What would I have to do in regards to transferring the necessary information from the large harddrive to the new ssd? Would I have to reformat?

I really think that, from my limited knowledge, the GTX 460 is far above what I need. Lets say I wanted to play the crysis 2. I would hazzard a guess that this card would rock that game? What should I look for in a graphics card that could play that game on med settings smoothly? I only use crysis as an example as I would assume that most games for the next year or two wont exceed the requirements of that game.

I am taking it easy today after a long night filled with champagne, wine, and whiskey, but plan on beginning ordering tomorrow. I hope you all had a fantastic new years and want to thank you again for all of this help. Im feeling pretty confident about this with you guys getting my back.

Two more things, is there a chatroom in this website for live help while I am putting it together? Also, dont I need to get a thermal compound and a cooling fan for the mobo/cpu?

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No, the stock cooler is fine to start with as you won't clock. Now what do you mean by smoothly... Smoothly with high settings or smoothly at lower settings? If you wan't to play Crysis, that is a killer for any single GPU, is not realistic to play at high settings at a 5k budget.

Now, the GTX 460 and 5770 will do their job but you can't compare them to the high end GPU:s 480, 580, 6970 etc...

In my opinion GTX 460 is a very good card but I don't have too high expectations. I hope you understand this. 5k for a complete PC is very, very tight.

My advice is to wait until you have another 2-3k and until Sandy Bridge releases as there might another pricedrop from both AMD and Intel:s old 1156.

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I will suggest this.

http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/78218

If you are reading on the forum a little bit, you will see that you maybe can unlock the x2 555 to a quadcore. And I will say that this rig is the best you could get for 5k, and with a mobo with USB 3.0 and Sata III (6.0 gbit/s)

Edit: If you want a 2.1 sound system too, I will suggest you to look on used system, and you will find that on http://www.blocket.se

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In regards to crysis 2, I mean med-low settings. Of course i would love to play it on high, but as you said that is unrealistic on my budget. That being said, for the money i want to spend are you saying i should definaltly stick with one of those two graphics cards?

So far, according to the opinions here I have gotten the following advice:

MSI 870A-G54 AM3
Asrock M3A770DE
Asrock 3N78D
MSI 770-C45 AM3
Gigabyte GA-880GM-UD2H

1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ
500GB Western Digital Caviar Black SATA II

AMD Phenom2 X4 955 3,2GHz Black Edition
AMD Phenom2 X2 555 3,2GHz Black Edition
AMD Athlon2 X3 445 3,1GHz
AMD Athlon2 X4 640 3.0GHz

Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) Value Select DDR3 1333MHz
A-Data 4GB (2x2048MB)1600Mhz Game Series,CL9, PC3-12800
A-Data 4GB (2x2GB) Game-Series 1333MHz

Gigabyte Radeon HD5770 1GB
Gigabyte GeForce 9800GT 1GB
Sparkle GeForce GTX 460 1GB OC
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 1GB OC
XFX Radeon HD5770 1GB

Cooler Master Elite 334 Svart, Utan nätagg
Antec Three Hundred
Cooler Master Elite 310, Svart/Silver
Rasurbo BC-10
Fractal Design Integra 400W

Samsung SH-S223C 22X DL Svart
Optiarc AD-7260S DVD±RW Svart SATA, OEM

Corsair VX 550W 80+ KAMPANJ!
Fractal Design Integra 400W
Corsair CX 430W

Can someone help me with possible pros/cons of these items so i can make a decision? With varying opinions it comes down to me deciding what works best for my needs. That being said, you all know better than me at what i need so if it was possible to come to some sort of consensus on what i should buy it would make it significantly easier for me to decide.

It seems as though the largest difference, both in price and opinion lies with the cpu and the graphics card. I like the idea of attempting to overclock the phenom to quadcore in the future so i am leaning towards that. The graphics card is really where i am stuck though. For something like crysis 2 on low-med settings what can i get away with? Does my desire to have dual monitors in the near future effect my choices?

Finally I have a hesitant request. I am hesitant because of how helpful you have all been, but I have to ask. There has been plenty of recommendations on systems/components, but I am still in the dark as to WHY i should use these parts. Can someone point me towards a resource, or explain to me themselves, what I should be looking for in each part? (cpu, gpu, mobo, etc) By this I mean that I have been learning a lot lately but I still dont know nearly enough to make independent decisions about what parts to buy. I want to feel like the computer I build was just recommended by experts like yourselves (shameless praise) but that I actually had a hand in it and know why i chose the parts I did.

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I am leaning towards this build

http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/78433

What do you think? With a HD like that do i really need a ssd for the speed i want/need? Can I trim any cost off of it? Would everything work well together? That is the chip i can possibly clock into a quadcore right?

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I am leaning towards this build

http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/78433

What do you think? With a HD like that do i really need a ssd for the speed i want/need? Can I trim any cost off of it? Would everything work well together? That is the chip i can possibly clock into a quadcore right?

It's an ok gamer, it's already a quad-CPU and I think you'll be more then satisfeid with the HDD's performance. It's hard to cut some of the cost of that kit, but you could go for a smaller HDD and a even cheaper motherboard maby.

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Can I go with a mATX chassis? For what reason would i need to get a full atx like the antec 300?

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Can I go with a mATX chassis? For what reason would i need to get a full atx like the antec 300?

Sure, but then you'll also need an mATX motherboard and I havn't found one with USB 3.0 at a good price unfourtunatly

http://www.inet.se/artikel/1901935/msi-880gma-e45
http://www.inet.se/artikel/6901285/cooler-master-elite-341-sv...

It'll actually go up in price if you choose to go mATX.

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thank you asheileon.

I am really leaning towards this build.
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/78433

here are the questions that remain in my mind.

phenom2 x2 555 or phenom2 x4 955? Both seem great, but the lower cost and possible quadcore unlocking of the 555 is making me lean in that direction. Other than the core, is there any difference between the two i should be aware of? Will the components listed work with/effect possible unlocking of quadcore?

With that harddrive will I be ok without a SSD? I have read the increased cache really makes a difference.

For my gaming needs the 5750 works right? I have been told that I NEED the 5770...

I will pick a case once everything is decided according to final cost and aesthetics.

Do I need 550watts or could i drop it to 500 without any ill effects? Just curious as komplett has one for a little cheaper.

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thank you asheileon.

I am really leaning towards this build.
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/78433

here are the questions that remain in my mind.

phenom2 x2 555 or phenom2 x4 955? Both seem great, but the lower cost and possible quadcore unlocking of the 555 is making me lean in that direction. Other than the core, is there any difference between the two i should be aware of? Will the components listed work with/effect possible unlocking of quadcore?

With that harddrive will I be ok without a SSD? I have read the increased cache really makes a difference.

For my gaming needs the 5750 works right? I have been told that I NEED the 5770...

I will pick a case once everything is decided according to final cost and aesthetics.

Do I need 550watts or could i drop it to 500 without any ill effects? Just curious as komplett has one for a little cheaper.

I'm not an AMD pro so I'm not going to say to much, but in my opinion I think it would be unwise to go with anyless then quad now that coming games will be able to make use of 8-cores and the unlock of unused cores is something that I just feel is sketchy so that's up to you.
An SSD isn't something you'll have big "use" for as it's main thing is to help bigass files open fast for example photoshop protject etc.
5750 will probably work fine on medium graphics on most games for atleast a year to come so agian it's a personal choice, I would recommend looking at the nVIDIA GTS 450 http://www.inet.se/artikel/5408941/gigabyte-geforce-gts-450-o...

When it comes to the powersupply(PSU) no you won't be needing 550W so go with this one instead FD 500W it's Swedish

But if you don't need 1TB of storage you could go with this instead as well http://www.inet.se/artikel/4303840/640gb-western-digital-blac...

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Is fractal design reliable? I had someone tell me to stay away from them as they are a unknown brand.

Also, noone has mentioned it, do i need to buy a thermal compound for the assembly? The howto guide on tomshardware said i needed it but noone here has mentioned word one about it.

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Is fractal design reliable? I had someone tell me to stay away from them as they are a unknown brand.

Also, noone has mentioned it, do i need to buy a thermal compound for the assembly? The howto guide on tomshardware said i needed it but noone here has mentioned word one about it.

No you do not need TIM(thermal greese). There's already TIM on the cooler that comes with the CPU

Fractial Design is very "loved" in Sweden(I hate there design) and they're not big outside the "north" so to speak so that's why most outside of Sweclockers probably refer to them as unknown, it's an ok - really good company so you can trust there stuff to work at all times stay away from ACE of Sweden thou, they're the devil