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Thank you for helping the American. Now, the final review of my build.

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Thank you all for your incredible outpouring of help. Your advice pushed me to learn so much more about what is available today and gave me a pretty good idea of what my needs are. That being said, money is a little tighter then I thought so after trying and trying i trimmed a LITTLE bit of fat off and want your final opinions,observations, recommendations, comments, etc.

I am splitting my purchase between inet.se and pixmania.se as some of the prices and availabilities were different.

One more thing, I am not a person to do much overclocking or dual GPU. That being said, is there any more fat to trim, like say from the mobo (I still want usb 3.0)?

-Athlon II x4 640 or Phenom II x2 555 (For someone not doing many multithreaded apps should i go for the dualcore? Which would complement the 5770 more? If I go to the Phenom I MIGHT be able to afford the gtx 460, is it worth it?)

-MSI 870A-654

-SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 5770 - 1 Gb GDDR5

-Silverstone PS05B

-Corsair 4GB Value Select DDR3 1333

-1 TB Samsung spinpoint F3

-Corsair VX 550W

Total~~~~4800

Final, double checking, make sure, total positivity question: If I purchase all of these components, will I have EVERYTHING I need to assemble my first pc? I am not missing some little component that you experienced users might overlook? I dont need a cooling fan for the CPU? Thermal paste? Internet card?

I am going to give this until the end of the day and then I will make my purchase if there are no RESOUNDING problems. Yes, I know I wish I could afford the gtx 460 now, but with my general malaise with pc games and being happy playing at LOW settings this will get the job done with gusto right?

right?

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I am splitting my purchase between inet.se and pixmania.se as some of the prices and availabilities were different.

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I won't comment on the rest but do not buy anything from Pixmania, you'll only regret if something needs to be RMA'd. Take a look at either Komplett or Webhallen.

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If you want to do wireless internet then you'll need an extra LAN-card and you'll also need an DVD-reader/writer, but other then that it looks like a good system for that price

Good luck and best regards Ashe

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I think it looks fine, but don't pick a dual-core under any circumstances if you're going to play games. And do NOT buy anything from Pixmania!
You have everything you need to assemble the PC, the only tool you'll need is a small philips screwdriver. A CPU heatsink + fan is included, and thermal paste comes applied on the heatsink. NIC (Network Interface Card) is integrated on all ATX and mATX motherboards, but only wired network.

Yes, you (maybe) need an optical drive too. Just pick the cheapest one available with SATA connection.

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Is pixmania that bad? I really appreciate the heads up if they are indeed shitty. Are we talking like tigerdirect shitty? I will have to look around some more then.

Questions,
-What does the yellow mark next to an item in inet.se mean? I see some that have a 0,0 listing, but others still list some in stock. What does it mean and in your experience how long does it take for them to restock something?
-Any experience with ADVANCE cases or power supplies? I ask because i found a advance case with included psu but cannot find much about it on the net. Can anyone recommend case brands that include quality psu's?

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Is pixmania that bad? I really appreciate the heads up if they are indeed shitty. Are we talking like tigerdirect shitty? I will have to look around some more then.

Questions,
-What does the yellow mark next to an item in inet.se mean? I see some that have a 0,0 listing, but others still list some in stock. What does it mean and in your experience how long does it take for them to restock something?
-Any experience with ADVANCE cases or power supplies? I ask because i found a advance case with included psu but cannot find much about it on the net. Can anyone recommend case brands that include quality psu's?

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The yellow mark means they only take it in if you order it, most things come in fast but if you wonder then just e-mail inet and they can probably give you a headsup before ordering

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Fantastic, then I will certainly just order everything from them.

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There is only one question that i need answered to give you my oppinion and here it comes. What are you planning to use the PC for?

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I will use it for pretty much cruising Reddit and playing flash games.

Seriously though, I typically use the computer for internet based apps, media playing, and some games. I am not a hardcore gamer and have never played a quality game on higher than medium res. I would LIKE to be able to play crysis 2 when it comes out, even if just on low settings.

All that being said, even doing all of this on a laptop all I ever feel left wanting for is better gaming. So i suppose most of my demands are on a very smooth and simple platform focused a little more on games than general tasks.

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Take a look at this. That is my suggestion.

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do NOT buy from pixmania.

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Haha, that is almost exactly what i had in mind widL.

This is my build.

https://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/79709/2011-01-02

I dont need a dvdrom as a friend is giving me his. I also opted for the powercolor 5770 as it has vga and i got a 20 HP LCD demo deal from webhallen for 560 kr which only has vga. I am going to keep my eyes peeled for a 24in LED for the main and use this as the secondary so it will be nice having the vga port right?

Is there any reason to avoid the powercolor brand?

Oh, and I picked that silverstone case because i think i would like the usb ports on the top like that.

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There is only one question that i need answered to give you my oppinion and here it comes. What are you planning to use the PC for?

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In the first thread you made, this system is the one I would prefer:
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/79792

It hits a good balance, sure you could change the motherboard, processor and harddrive for cheaper ones with less ompf, in order to maximize the gaming potential with a better video card. But in my opinion it's not worth it. The HD5770 is an OK card for medium quality gaming (depending on the resolution you choose to play in) and when/if you feel it is to weak, you can easily upgrade to a better card, while keeping all the other components.

Edit: oops, wrong qoutation....

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I have gotten the message loud and clear, I will not buy from pixmania.

Ever.

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I will use it for pretty much cruising Reddit and playing flash games.

Seriously though, I typically use the computer for internet based apps, media playing, and some games. I am not a hardcore gamer and have never played a quality game on higher than medium res. I would LIKE to be able to play crysis 2 when it comes out, even if just on low settings.

All that being said, even doing all of this on a laptop all I ever feel left wanting for is better gaming. So i suppose most of my demands are on a very smooth and simple platform focused a little more on games than general tasks.

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In that case you should go for the athlon2 x4 and get the http://www.inet.se/artikel/5408924/xfx-radeon-hd5770-1gb-kamp... and when Crysis2 comes out you prolly have saved the 100kr/month to get another card and Crossfire them to be able to play crysis on alittle higher settings;) Always more fun to play game with higher settings;) (It wont be ultrasettings, but it'll be somewhat good looking anyway)
Are you building the system yourself? Cause 900SEK on assembly is pretty much with that budget.
best of luck to you;)

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buy a esd bracelet like this https://www.inet.se/artikel/8501008/esd-handledsband

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Is there any reason why everyone keeps recommending the XFX card? I only ask because it doesnt have hdmi or vga which I would assume is a slight drawback from the Powercolor card of similar price. Just curious. As for the bracelet, cant i just keep touching the chassi or is it really that necessary to have one of those things?

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HDMI is just a DVI with sound ie. there is no reason for wanting HDMI unless you plan to connect the computor to a $5000 tv or such, the picturequality is exactly the same. VGA is for old monitors, so if you're sitting on a 10yo monitor you should go for VGA or else DVI is the sh*t.
hope this helped.

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And you can get VGA with an adapter, usually comes with every graphicscard out there.

And don't even touch Pixmania.

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And you can get VGA with an adapter, usually comes with every graphicscard out there.

And don't even touch Pixmania.

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Definetly comes with the 5770 if it comes with my 6970, tbh they should stop sending those since if you buy a new graphicscard you should use a DVImonitor or it's just a waste of money;)

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Is there any reason why everyone keeps recommending the XFX card? I only ask because it doesnt have hdmi or vga which I would assume is a slight drawback from the Powercolor card of similar price. Just curious. As for the bracelet, cant i just keep touching the chassi or is it really that necessary to have one of those things?

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Yes, the XFX card is in stock (is that the way to say it? on stock? stocked? )! HDMI doesn't matter, you can use adapters for DVI-HDMI and DVI-VGA if you need any of those.

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Is there any reason why everyone keeps recommending the XFX card? I only ask because it doesnt have hdmi or vga which I would assume is a slight drawback from the Powercolor card of similar price. Just curious. As for the bracelet, cant i just keep touching the chassi or is it really that necessary to have one of those things?

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No, I can't find anything that would justify a buy of the slightly more expensive XFX-card (except that it is in stock). I'd guess most people think it's the cheapest HD5770 since it's on sale and miss the PowerColor one. The PowerColor card has got a nice cooler as well, silent and good för overclocking.

Concerning the ESD-bracelet:
No it's not necessary, you can as you say try to keep in contact with the chassi as much as possible. There is still a slight risk for electrical discharge though and the bracelet eliminates that possibility (by slowly evening out the difference in potential).
the thing is that even if you and the chassi has the same potential, the components may have a different potential.
That said, I've assembled a few computers without ESD-protection and they still work fine. The problem with ESD-damage is that you might not notice it until after a while though. So a ESD bracelet is a cheap insurance.

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buy a esd bracelet like this https://www.inet.se/artikel/8501008/esd-handledsband

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not really something usefull, just grap a anti-static bag and use it as a glove and if you got two, gloves, i always do that cuz the bracelet just gets in the way all the time.

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I think it looks fine, but don't pick a dual-core under any circumstances if you're going to play games.

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On the other hand: as I recall, doesnt the Athlon 2 range have virtually no cache, which hurts performance quite a bit aswell?

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On the other hand: as I recall, doesnt the Athlon 2 range have virtually no cache, which hurts performance quite a bit aswell?

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That's true, but -2 cores hurts a lot more in multi-threaded games. In older, or badly optimized games, the dual-core Phenom will be better.

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In the first thread you made, this system is the one I would prefer:
http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/79792

It hits a good balance, sure you could change the motherboard, processor and harddrive for cheaper ones with less ompf, in order to maximize the gaming potential with a better video card. But in my opinion it's not worth it. The HD5770 is an OK card for medium quality gaming (depending on the resolution you choose to play in) and when/if you feel it is to weak, you can easily upgrade to a better card, while keeping all the other components.

Edit: oops, wrong qoutation....

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Hell yeah! Thx for thumbing up my build

Anyways, if your budget is 4800kr then just remove the DVD/RW from this build (as you said your friend is giving you one) and it'll be quite close.

EDIT: This is the cheapest mobo with USB 3.0

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I have asked before but I am quite curious again. For gaming need, which is a better combo

Phenom II x2 555 and GTX 460
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Athlon II x4 640 and Radeon 5770

Under what circumstances, if any, would i notice a marked difference?

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I have asked before but I am quite curious again. For gaming need, which is a better combo

Phenom II x2 555 and GTX 460
or
Athlon II x4 640 and Radeon 5770

Under what circumstances, if any, would i notice a marked difference?

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In general, if you want to be "future proof", the x4 processor is preffered. Why? Because almost every new game that hit the shelves will have good use of a processor with 4 cores (or more) rather than 2 cores. Buying a dual core processor today is not recommended. The dualcore processors already had their time.

I would recommend the Athlon II x4 640 and Radeon 5770 combo, but keep in mind that the GTX 460 is a better choice when it comes to raw performance, if you can afford it, buy it instead of the 1 year old 5770 (which already is antique in the hardware sphere).

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In general, if you want to be "future proof", the x4 processor is preffered. Why? Because almost every new game that hit the shelves will have good use of a processor with 4 cores (or more) rather than 2 cores. Buying a dual core processor today is not recommended. The dualcore processors already had their time.

I would recommend the Athlon II x4 640 and Radeon 5770 combo, but keep in mind that the GTX 460 is a better choice when it comes to raw performance, if you can afford it, buy it instead of the 1 year old 5770 (which already is antique in the hardware sphere).

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Not quite true, even today around half of the games does not support more then 2-3 cores in an efficient way. WoW:Catalyst makes use of three cores, same thing with StarCraft 2, Juste Cause 2 uses two, in Metro2033 two cores gives exactly the same FPS as four, same thing with Supreme Commander 2.
That said,if you can afford it a quad is preferrable, but then it should be a Phenom II, which is not penalized by a low amount of cache (As Athlon II is).
The Phenom II 555 + GTX460 combo will give you more FPS in roughly 80% of the games out now, simply because even many of the games that support more than 2 cores partly have a not so efficient support for mor cores, and partly are more GPU dependent than CPU dependent. So a better GPU will win the battle. Then if the 555 can be unlocked, the 555 + GTX460 combo will rule supreme.

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WrongTarget, you sir are a gem. Thank you for explaining to me something i have been trying to understand.

I suppose the next question is just how easy is it to unlock the phenom II x2 if it does indeed even unlock?

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